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In this clip I share a couple examples of the non-standard grammar of Irish English.
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“Youse” is also used in Pennsylvania.
It’s Pittsburg right
I know Mexican-Americans that do, as well.
@heathermakes sense. In spanish you have a plural you so it would make sense to pluralize you in english
@Crafterrium Actually it’s Philadelphia and Eastern Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh prefers yinz or sometimes y’unz.
Interesting, the Irish are the second largest ethnic group in the US. Saying “yous guys” is commin here in Chicago, which has a very large irish population. Maybe there’s a connection
“Youse” is also used in some Northern English dialects, e.g. Scouse.
Can’t wait for the video! 😊
Classic NYC speak uses “youse” all the time as well!
@Ibn Khairuddeen (ابن خير الدين الألباني) Aha, Didn’t know that! 👍🏻
Also an area with a high population of Irish immigrants!
Yeah, it’s spread to quite a few dialects of English across the UK and US now, but those are mainly those with strong Irish connections.
It’s something most UK English speakers would be familiar with now though, even if their own dialect doesn’t use it directly.
@Ibn Khairuddeen (ابن خير الدين الألباني) Yizzer reminds me of Pennsylvania’s “Yinz”
We say “youse” in Philly. I thought it was a Philly thing.
We say it in NYC as well. Definitely an East Coast thing
Philadelphia and New York City have a large population of Irish Americans and even more recent Irish immigrants.
Youse is used in Scotland as well(at least in Glasgow)
All of these except “yizzer” are things I’ve heard here and there in Connecticut, and not from one specific Irish descended family or something. Sometimes I use the after perfect tense myself. It’s cool to know that these come from Irish English.
Here in Newfoundland we follow the same and we have our own dictionary for English speakers who want to learn Newfoundlandish or Newfie
I’ve heard Newfies speak before and it sounds like an Irish accent to my ears! Fun fact but due to the high number of Irish fisherman who moved there Newfoundland is one of the only places outside Ireland with a distinct name in Irish Gaelic; Talamh an Éisc > Land of the Fish
The after+-ing past tense is a direct translation of the Irish taréis+present pariciple. It is also found in Welsh where wedi+verb is used to indicate the perfect
Irish people objectively improving the language
Yep
what about ye
Heard an auld boy say once that English may have been forced on us through centuries of British colonialism but at least we use it better than anyone else.
We also use it in Scotland, but as “you’s”; a conjugation of “you eens” (“you ones”, meaning “you guys”)
I’m really looking forward to the full video.
In a lot of places, the plural you is “Ye” and the possessive is “yer”. In the west we never say youse.
Was going to say this. all my galway family say ‘yee’ and ‘yer’
Newfoundland english uses the after thing as well! I have memories of my grandmother saying after like to put past action before another past action, “I’m after getting supper finished when you walked in the door”
i love that you have a native Dub speaking!
The “after” perfect is a direct calque from Irish. It make sense once you think about it, as “after” here is being used to denote an event in the immediate past. It’s a “hot news” perfect, so “I’m after arriving” means something closer to “I have just arrived”.
Youse / yous is definitely Irish English in origin, but it is something that has become pretty widely used in UK English in recent years, to the extent that I wouldn’t be surprised to see it considered part of Standard UK English too eventually.
It’s a useful word, and consistent with general English rules, so pretty readily adopted.
American English also has y’all, and every language which I know (chinese, spanish, russian) also all have different words for plural you, so it’s obviously a necessary part of language, at least “both of you, all of you” is used in standard English anyway
Another quirk in Irish English is that whereas the British will always “take from” but “bring to”, we tend to favour “bring” in both contexts. “If you’re going shopping, bring a bag.”
By the way, outside of Dublin “ye” (rhyming with “bee”) is the normal 2nd person plural in informal spoken Irish English. And within Dublin, non-ironic use of “youse” instead of “ye” is a socioeconomic marker.
on the AAVE video, there were dozens of negative comments claiming the speakers were “desecrating the english language.” i guarantee there will be no such comments on this video.
I wouldn’t guarantee it, because there might be a handful, but yeah – nowhere near as many as on the AAVE video. There were hundreds of such comments on that video.
Some of the features of AAVE probably originated in Irish English, because some of the African slaves worked alongside Irish indentured servants. A few of the examples in this video will probably ring familiar to AAVE speakers.
I reckon you’re right sadly, it’d turn your stomach.
Proof that anti Irish discrimination is a thing of the past.
“youse” in Ireland is definitely a very Dublin thing, and specifically a more working class thing. “Yis” is also used the same way, but rurally, it would be much more common to say “ye”.
That’s interesting ! The last point, we have the same thing in Canadian French, but we tend to use it more in the present progressive : “Je suis juste après finir de travailler” [I’m just after finishing work], which means something like “I’m just finishing up work”
Considering we’ve had some Irish influence in the region, it’s interesting to see it in the actual language!